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  • How on earth did nobody get shot during the standoff at the end?  5 or 6 professional hit-men locked on to two open people with automatic weapons.  It's completely Implausible that neither Hank nor Gomez nobody were hit.  I'm perversely disappointed

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    • So am I, but they did this to create tension for the next episode... And I don't see Gomie and Hank living trough this.

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    • I wouldn't call Jack's gang professional hitmen (remember how careless they were in the bathroom?). They are just a bunch of wanna-be mobsters. For the main topic, did anyone else think Gomez got shot? It shows him in front of Hank's car clenching in pain. 

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    • I really expected Hank and Gomez to die here. Somewhat disappointed that didn't happen and it's dragged out till next week. I also thought Gomez was shot.

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    • The Shootout was disappointing, even if Gomez had been shot(if that is the case)...  he should had die right on the spot, he was completely uncovered.  Truth be told is that both should had been heavily injured on that kind of standoff, only nervousness can explain so many missed shots which neither of the guys on Jack crew seems to be, they even had previously kill 10 men on a 2 minute window!

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    • i think it was a couple of things. yes they were trying to extend the tension.  but from the other pov, jack's gang aren't navy SEALs, and i imagine in real life that when the adrenaline is pumping people have shaky aim, and shootouts usually take longer than they do in hollywood.  i think it would have been better if hank and gomez dropped to the ground immediately when they started shooting and crawled to the suv for cover before they started returning fire.

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    • Maybe they aren't navy seals but they've certainly practiced their shooting before. Look at how effortlessly and quickly Todd killed that little boy. Jack and his crew may be unprofessional but they would certainly have hit two targets out in the open between 5 shooters. Considering that a man had a full-auto shotgun they should both be dead. I'm also pissed that no one reloaded. Steve and Hank would only be carrying a couple of magazines at most, Jack's crew should be loaded up on ammo and at the very least they'll have far more than Hank does. The end to this should be simple, Hank and Gomie run out of ammo and Jesse, Hank, and Gomie are exectued.

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    • go to 3:02 of this video and pause:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4TA4QCxq3U

      the suv cuts off the angle some, so i don't think they were out in the open as much as people thought.  i'm not completely defending the scene, i'm playing a little devil's advocate here because i think people jumped all over that scene too much.  the directing could have been better, i definitely agree.  but a scene of this magnitude is getting attention for all the wrong reasons.  it's a very powerful moment in the show and people are getting hung up on the details.  with that said, i would've directed it differently.

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    • BrBa wrote:
      go to 3:02 of this video and pause:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4TA4QCxq3U

      the suv cuts off the angle some, so i don't think they were out in the open as much as people thought.  i'm not completely defending the scene, i'm playing a little devil's advocate here because i think people jumped all over that scene too much.  the directing could have been better, i definitely agree.  but a scene of this magnitude is getting attention for all the wrong reasons.  it's a very powerful moment in the show and people are getting hung up on the details.  with that said, i would've directed it differently.

      Thank you!  Hank was not out in the open like a lot of people seem to want to argue.  It did appear that Gomez was hit but we don't know yet.  Also to me the shoot out was not real time.  We were seeing the same moments from different perspectives. Going from memory (the initial watch and a quick rewatch), Jack's crew opened fire, spraying bullets everywhere.  After this the camera cuts to Hank and Gomez firing their first shots...obviously this all happened at the same time.  For what its worth I think Gomez is dead and Hank gravely injured.  Walt may have to watch his brother in law die but opts to save Jesse by saying he wont cook without him.  With the shows record on foreshadowing, it seems to me that Uncle Jack not wanting to wear his mask when Todd was cooking will come in to play when Walt is back in the lab and this may be his escape route, killing Jack (Emilio and Krazy 8 style) and then having to go on the run, only to come back with the M-60 and Ricin possibly to avenge the death of his family at the hands of the gang or just to save them from being killed.

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    • Tejota30 wrote:
      BrBa wrote:
      go to 3:02 of this video and pause:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4TA4QCxq3Uthe suv cuts off the angle some, so i don't think they were out in the open as much as people thought.  i'm not completely defending the scene, i'm playing a little devil's advocate here because i think people jumped all over that scene too much.  the directing could have been better, i definitely agree.  but a scene of this magnitude is getting attention for all the wrong reasons.  it's a very powerful moment in the show and people are getting hung up on the details.  with that said, i would've directed it differently.
      Thank you!  Hank was not out in the open like a lot of people seem to want to argue.  It did appear that Gomez was hit but we don't know yet.  Also to me the shoot out was not real time.  We were seeing the same moments from different perspectives. Going from memory (the initial watch and a quick rewatch), Jack's crew opened fire, spraying bullets everywhere.  After this the camera cuts to Hank and Gomez firing their first shots...obviously this all happened at the same time.  For what its worth I think Gomez is dead and Hank gravely injured.  Walt may have to watch his brother in law die but opts to save Jesse by saying he wont cook without him.  With the shows record on foreshadowing, it seems to me that Uncle Jack not wanting to wear his mask when Todd was cooking will come in to play when Walt is back in the lab and this may be his escape route, killing Jack (Emilio and Krazy 8 style) and then having to go on the run, only to come back with the M-60 and Ricin possibly to avenge the death of his family at the hands of the gang or just to save them from being killed.

      idk how true this is, but somebody commented that we've fired 250,000 rounds for every iraqi killed.  people don't get it; it's hollywood that makes it look too easy.  real life is different.

      your theory could be plausible.  but after watching how the cast talks about these episodes, i have a feeling there's more to it than any of us have predicted.  maybe they are getting me too hyped up and i'm setting myself up for disappointment but check these out and tell me you don't get excited...

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuC8CaJKN0o

      and bryan cranston at 10:00 in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugLkMf6r7rM

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    • Because it's a TV show? Wow, people.

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    • Quickscopa wrote:
      Because it's a TV show? Wow, people.

      so it should be unrealistic? wrong answer.

      maybe they weren't aiming at them, and they just wanted to freak em out. That is the only thing that really makes sense. Because if you think about it, they just need to make sure Walt doesn't go to jail. They don't really need to kill anyone, maybe just shoot at each other until Hank and Gimie run out of ammo, then take Walt hostage.

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    • Madrigal-Ehrmantraut wrote:
      Quickscopa wrote:
      Because it's a TV show? Wow, people.
      so it should be unrealistic? wrong answer.

      maybe they weren't aiming at them, and they just wanted to freak em out. That is the only thing that really makes sense. Because if you think about it, they just need to make sure Walt doesn't go to jail. They don't really need to kill anyone, maybe just shoot at each other until Hank and Gimie run out of ammo, then take Walt hostage.

      only problem with keeping hank and gomez alive is now they know where walt's money is.  maybe they don't have to kill them, but they can't let them go.

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    • Madrigal-Ehrmantraut wrote:
      Quickscopa wrote:
      Because it's a TV show? Wow, people.
      so it should be unrealistic? wrong answer.

      maybe they weren't aiming at them, and they just wanted to freak em out. That is the only thing that really makes sense. Because if you think about it, they just need to make sure Walt doesn't go to jail. They don't really need to kill anyone, maybe just shoot at each other until Hank and Gimie run out of ammo, then take Walt hostage.

      I love the show. You love the show. But there is such a thing as forsaking reality for drama and poetic license. Is it really believeable MIke didn't get more than grazed when the Cartel hit that truck? That Tuco didn't at least nip Hank?

      I really don't think it's some plot point that they didn't get hit. It's more they wanted to keep the drama up for the next ep. It wouldn't be the first time they've done it.

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    • I agree with this guy.

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    • They were all high on meth. Especially Todd.

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    • According to Lesce, 1984, only 11% of assailants' bullets and 25% of bullets fired by police officers hit their intended targets. On top of the fact that they were more covered than is immediately obvious, this portrayal is more realistic than a perfect shot from miles away somehow hitting a person in the face as Hollywood usually likes to show.

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    • I read that the shootout only lasts for 10 seconds, and all the different shots it's different people's POV

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    • LucasLeturiaLecaros wrote:
      I read that the shootout only lasts for 10 seconds, and all the different shots it's different people's POV

      i could see that being the case too.  either way, people were too critical of this scene.

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    • BrBa wrote:
      LucasLeturiaLecaros wrote:
      I read that the shootout only lasts for 10 seconds, and all the different shots it's different people's POV
      i could see that being the case too.  either way, people were too critical of this scene.

      i watched the scene again since I have dvr, and now i'm thinking none of the nazis really had a very good shot. Even though Hank and Gomie are not directly behind the van yet (that walter is in), the van is still blocking a little bit. 

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    • Madrigal-Ehrmantraut wrote:
      BrBa wrote:
      LucasLeturiaLecaros wrote:
      I read that the shootout only lasts for 10 seconds, and all the different shots it's different people's POV
      i could see that being the case too.  either way, people were too critical of this scene.
      i watched the scene again since I have dvr, and now i'm thinking none of the nazis really had a very good shot. Even though Hank and Gomie are not directly behind the van yet (that walter is in), the van is still blocking a little bit. 

      yea i agree. if anything, gomez was a little exposed, but one or two steps to his left and the suv cuts off the angle pretty good.

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    • Madrigal-Ehrmantraut wrote:

      i watched the scene again since I have dvr 

      Online is free. Screw dvr

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    • BrBa wrote:
      Madrigal-Ehrmantraut wrote:
      BrBa wrote:
      LucasLeturiaLecaros wrote:
      I read that the shootout only lasts for 10 seconds, and all the different shots it's different people's POV
      i could see that being the case too.  either way, people were too critical of this scene.
      i watched the scene again since I have dvr, and now i'm thinking none of the nazis really had a very good shot. Even though Hank and Gomie are not directly behind the van yet (that walter is in), the van is still blocking a little bit. 
      yea i agree. if anything, gomez was a little exposed, but one or two steps to his left and the suv cuts off the angle pretty good.

      yeah, i can see how people could think that cause everything happened so fast, and everyone's heart was pounding (my heart's still pounding, i had to do some yoga this week), even though parts were in slow motion. But heres more of what i noticed:

      Even though Hank and Gomie are not directly behind the van when the shooting starts, the van is still blocking the view of the nazis. Take in mind that both parties, DEA and NAZI, are at the same ground level. Gomie seems a little more out in the open than Hank, but from their diagonal line of shooting he is actually directly behind Hank in terms of the Nazi's line of fire. Plus Hank and Gomie are consistently both slowly creeping closer and closer to the van. By the time the shooting starts they are both very close. That is when the show briefly switches to slow motion, so it might seem like they are in the open longer than they actually are. But in reality Hank and Gomie have just enough time to fire about 2-3 shots before they dive behind the van. By the shot at 1:02:26, Hank is completely behind the van and Gomie is pretty damn close. From the shoulders up it seems they are exposed. The rest of their body is behind the van. By 1:02:27 they are completely crouched down behind the van, and Gomie is crouched behind the front (or hood) of the van. 

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    • Smellygypo wrote:


      How on earth did nobody get shot during the standoff at the end?  5 or 6 professional hit-men locked on to two open people with automatic weapons.  It's completely Implausible that neither Hank nor Gomez nobody were hit.  I'm perversely disappointed

      --And rightly so you are! You're not the only one. Just about every podcast I've heard has said the same thing. It also goes back to my post I wrote right after the episode aired. I will feel cheated if Hank does not die. This is for 2 reasons...1. If he's going to die, that should have been how the episode ended (not how the next one begins!) and 2. It's like you said...what did they have?--like half a dozen guys? How in the world do those men miss both Hank and Gomez? I think in the industry they call this "suspended disbelief" but it probably works better in movies because we've got waaaay too much time to dissect this scene before we get to the next one!

      And another side note--something I noticed and MANY other people--what's up with Todd's shooting technique? He reminded me of a little boy practicing with his first BB gun! Look at it again. Plus he's supposed to be this sociopathic, killing machine yet he kind of flinches and blinks after every shot!


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    • I think Gomez will die immediately

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    • The dude with the AA12 will take Hank and Gomie's left flank from around the back of their Suburban and end the fight.

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    • In hindisght Gomez was bound to die but i would've like to see him actually die on screen.

      This also helps my theory of the Talking Bad Spoiler. 

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    • The idea that we shoot 250,000 rounds for every Iraqi killed is not relevant to this scene. Modern warfare is about maneuvre and nullification. Soldiers throw down fire to force their enemy into cover while another group maneuvres into a position, under relative safety due to covering fire, that can render the enemy inert through further fire or forced submission. Jack and Hank are not fucking commandos, their hotshots with experience but not tactics. Either way I'm very glad Hank and Gomie are dead and the looks  on Marie are worth it.

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    • Tejota & BrBa:  1. The scene was botched.  2. The scene was botched.  We shouldn't have to make excuses for a bad scene just because we love the show.  Viewers shouldn't have to go back and look at 'angles', etc to justify a badly shot scene.  Pun intended.  Both teams should have sprayed a few bullets at each other, then cut to fade.  But on the bright side, at least they didn't have the camera slowly zoom in on a fly!  :) 

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    • It is kind of scary how many ignorant people think that shooting is like on "regular" TV and that everyoine is a crack shot. Ask the people of Chicago lately what it is like ina shootout. Often the ones that get hit are everybody BUT the intended targets. 

      As far as "we shouldn't have to go back and look at angles" well...yes you should if YOUY missed those angles the first time. It is not their fault you are not observant, and are ignrant in what really happens ina shootout.

      Other than the first shots fired, the rest would ahve been pretty much shoot and hope. As much a chance to miss their targets by 10 feet as a chance to hit them. (Granted, since it is 3 weeks later, we know this is a moot point anyway.)

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    • You have the same theory on gun control as your average black man and you have the grammar to match.

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