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Why did Jesse got mad?

Ok i don't get it... Maybe cuz i don't remember 100% of this show...

Why did Jesse got mad when he realized Walt had the ricin cigarette lifted from his pack?

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i think they switched packs.  they probably knew what kind of cigarettes jesse smokes, so they stole jesse's pack with the ricin cigarette and replaced it with an identical pack minus the ricin cigarette.  remember, huell has "nimble sausage fingers"

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My guess is huell did a quick switch. He switched the two packs.
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Earisu wrote:
My guess is huell did a quick switch. He switched the two packs.

right, one pack had the ricin and the other one didn't.

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Hi,

I watch this show from France and I think it is the best ever!

However, since English is not my native language, there are things which don't make sense to me (also because I have such a poor memory and can't recall details from previous seasons).

For example: are we supposed to believe in season 4 that Walt tried to make Jesse believe that Gus tried to poison Brock with ricin?

I probably misunderstood something because it doesn't make sense to me: how on earth was Gus supposed to know that ricin was hiding in Jesse's cigarettes pack? or even know anything about ricin?

If Gus really had decided to kill Brock because he wanted to hurt Jesse, wouldn't this (stealing Jesse's ricin, supposing he knew it was ricin) be the dumbest way to achieve it?

Ok, I probably missed something, and I hope you will tell me what!

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Alix24fr wrote:
Hi,

I watch this show from France and I think it is the best ever!

However, since English is not my native language, there are things which don't make sense to me (also because I have such a poor memory and can't recall details from previous seasons).

For example: are we supposed to believe in season 4 that Walt tried to make Jesse believe that Gus tried to poison Brock with ricin?

I probably misunderstood something because it doesn't make sense to me: how on earth was Gus supposed to know that ricin was hiding in Jesse's cigarettes pack? or even know anything about ricin?

If Gus really had decided to kill Brock because he wanted to hurt Jesse, wouldn't this (stealing Jesse's ricin, supposing he knew it was ricin) be the dumbest way to achieve it?

Ok, I probably missed something, and I hope you will tell me what!

it's been a while since i've seen it, but i think this is what happened.  yes, walt convinced jesse that gus poisoned brock with the ricin.  walt suggested that maybe gus and his men found out about the ricin by overhearing them speak about it in the lab via the camera or audio equipment (or perhaps even walt and/or jesse were bugged without knowing).  walt reminds jesse that gus had used and sacrificed children in the past, which furthers his argument.  walt says that tyrus could have stolen the cigarette from jesse's locker at the lab during one of their cooks.  

gus wouldn't have poisoned brock to hurt jesse per se.  the only reason gus wasn't able to kill walt for so long is because jesse told gus that he (jesse) would quit working for him (gus) if walt was killed.  gus still needed a meth cook, so he couldn't afford for jesse to quit; what gus needed was for jesse to be okay with walt being killed.  so walt convinced jesse that gus' plan was to poison brock so that jesse would think walt did it.  that would get jesse so angry at walt that jesse would no longer care for walt's life to be spared.  walt said it himself (something close to this): [walt laughs] "all this time i was waiting for one of gus' men to come kill me, and you were the one they sent.  it's brilliant."  let's assume it really was gus' plan.  it really would have been a brilliant plan because walt never would have expected them to send jesse to kill him, and it allowed for walt to let down his guard.

summary: walt poisoned brock.  jesse accused walt of poisoning brock.  walt convinced jesse that gus' plan was to get jesse to turn against walt, and did so by making jesse think that walt poisoned brock.  jesse believed that gus' plan was real.  jess then turned against gus and helped walt.  

it was great manipulation by walt, but also a very risky move.

This may have nothing to do with OP, but  I have a question for Jesse on Season 4 Ep 12, when Jesse suspects that Walter poisoned Broc after he checked on his cigarretts and found the capsuled one was missing. 

How does Jesse relate the missing cigarrett with the capsule to Walter ?  Was Jesse's cigarrett pack misplaced on table while Walter was in Jesse' home and Jesse remembered it ?

1. What was the scene that would make Jesse be able to link the cigarrett missing would be directly picked up by Walter ?  

2. How does Jesse think that Walter would particulary target Broc for poisoning and when ?


I just have this question because Jesse later visits Walter and fight over this and the final scene on episode 13 of the season 4 suggests that Walter might have indeed poisoned Broc.  Then, how and when ?


Thanks.

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Mrdragonfly1234 wrote:
This may have nothing to do with OP, but  I have a question for Jesse on Season 4 Ep 12, when Jesse suspects that Walter poisoned Broc after he checked on his cigarretts and found the capsuled one was missing. 

How does Jesse relate the missing cigarrett with the capsule to Walter ?  Was Jesse's cigarrett pack misplaced on table while Walter was in Jesse' home and Jesse remembered it ?

1. What was the scene that would make Jesse be able to link the cigarrett missing would be directly picked up by Walter ?  

2. How does Jesse think that Walter would particulary target Broc for poisoning and when ?


I just have this question because Jesse later visits Walter and fight over this and the final scene on episode 13 of the season 4 suggests that Walter might have indeed poisoned Broc.  Then, how and when ?


Thanks.

because as far as jesse was concerned, only two people knew that the ricin cigarette existed: walt and himself (jesse didn't know that walt confided in saul).  brock was in the hospital with symptoms resembling that of ricin, and the ricin cigarette was missing from jesse's pack, so jesse had nobody to suspect but walt. 

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at the end of the episode where jesse accuses walt of poisoning the kid the hospital tells him that it was not ricin. it was lily of the valley. thats why the police did not pursue jesse anymore.

in another episode walt makes a duplicate cigarette with "ricin" inside. when jesse asks him to help him look for it. walt plants it at the vacuum cleaner. when jesse finds it walt gets it from him to destroy.

it makes no sense for walt to steal the cigarette. since he sythesized it in the first place if he wanted ricin why not make a new batch?i think jesse just lost it. walt was only soothing jesse's feelings helping him look for it.

in one episode saul said he wouldn't have helped walt if he knew that the kid was going to end up in the hospital. but this was lily of the valley. not ricin.

the writers just made jesse lose the cig. so that he'd tell the mother to look for poison or else the boy could have died.

so in the fifth season when saul lifts the marijuana out of jesse's pocket  while he was going out it will make no sense anymore that jesse will accuse saul of being the one who took the ricin and helping walt poison the boy since he knew and was the one who told walt that it was lily of the valley which poisoned the boy. the writers seemed to have confused the plot?

the only save was that saul admitted that he helped walt poison the boy which led to the next episode. but saul would not have admitted if he was not accused and jesse knew that it was not ricin which poisoned the boy.so this scene made no sense.

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Walt made the fake cigarette with salt to place in the roomba, so he could flush it after found...then he kept the ricin cig for later.

Saul knew he used Lily of the Valley, but didn't expect Brock to get so sick.

It all makes sense...the plot is correct.

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Dammit I so HATE Jesse at the final season PUSSY is what he is... boohoo poor cry baby cant stand some blood... If u get in the business you oughtta have some damn balls 

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