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There is no evidence for Walt poisoning Brock

There is no evidence for Walt poisoning Brock (as of Season 4). Just because Walt has that plant doesn't mean he poisoned Brock. I went back and watched the last few episodes of season 4. Walt never had the opportunity. He shows up at Jesse's house where Brock is playing a video game. Walt is not carrying the flower pot in the scene. He immediately gets into a fight with Jesse without even coming inside. Then he gets tasered by Tyrus and taken out to the desert. Brock doesn't live with Jesse so Walt has no way to figure out who Brock is or where he lives, so Walt never had the chance to poison him, even if you believe Walt is capable of doing that or wanted to.

Walt having that plant is a coincidence, just like how he met Donald before Jane's death, or like how Beneke dies while Huell is in his house. The show is full of weird coincidences.

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Just wanted to echo the sentiments that it was clearly telegraphed that Walt was resposible for poisoning Brock...it was a televisual masterclass!

If you don't pick up on the subtleties, I can imagine that it could pass some people by, and Vince Gilligan doesn't seem to be the kind of writer who is going to garishly signpost what has happened. This is the essence of BB: it forces you to engage with every shot, scene and line of dialogue.

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Well, first off...there's a ton of evidence (way more than I'm willing to put here for you!) And second, maybe you should have gone on to watch the first 10 minutes of season 5--one of the first things Walt does is hide the plant!

If that ain't enough...listen to the trailer of this week's show. Saul says (presumably to Jesse) that he never would've have never agreed to it if he knew what he was going to do with it..."You gotta believe me!"

And...oh yeah...in 501 Saul says to Walt "You never told me the kid would end up in the hospital!"

Please don't waste people's time with this. It's obvious you're not paying attention. This is a site for fans.

This discussion is officially over after the latest episode.
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Amen.
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Only thing left on the table is that Jesse believes it was the ricin that was used to poison Brock. Unbeknownst to him, it was not. However, regardless of whether it was the ricin or lily of the valley, he knows Walt was responsible. 5.12 should prove interesting, that being an understatement.

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Hi Everyone. I know that now it's being a clear evidence that Walt did poison the kid (Saul's confession is a fair enough final evidence). Period.

So I'm posting this just for the fun to have discussion about all of this and point out how I think the complexity of this plot event was made on purpose so as to make us all wonder about it.

So I first started buying the idea of Walt poisoning the kid because all the elements you quoted deffinetly accuse him. And I personnaly never questioned the psychopathic tendencies of Walter. He is clearly a goddamn lunatic freak with frequent and very random murderous envies. No contest.

That being said, he is also a perfect liar, manipulator but more than anything a very good calculator. And I insist on this last one.

As a graduated and brillant chemical professor who turned completly mad and unpredictable, all his success nontheless remained in his calculator skills and obsessions.

So, on this simple point of view, until we were definetly conviced by Saul's words : what reason would he have (as he stated himself in a very desperate moment) to poison Brock ?

So as to make Jesse believe that Gus did it ? But that's clearly not logical at all. Because if the point was to kill the kid and let accuse Gus, why poisoning him with Lily of the valley ?

So it appears accidental ? But then that don't accuse Walt nor Gus... 

So what's the point ? Why wouldn't he have just poison him with ricin  ?

Because that accuses Walt too much ? But then why getting Saul taking the cigaret off the packet ? So Jesse believes that Brock got poisoned with ricin ? But again that doesn't accuses Gus at all, that accuses Walt ! And there is absolutly no reason Gus did it.

And I really believed that Walt believing Gus did it was actually the fruit of his sincere and personal paranoid tendencies. And I thought this is why he laughed with despair. Just like he did when his wife told him about his money being offered to Beneke. Know I must confess I think he's just an evil master mind and a crazy nutcake.

All of this really didn't make sense at all.

And I still think the whole point was making us, as spectators, wondering about all this mess despite of the evidence. Because playing with our minds is pure fun. 

According to my theory nobody had no reason ever to poison Brock and it was really more logical he just got intoxicated accidentaly, and all the surrounding elements were intentionnally put in our sight so as to make us elaborate paranoid theories.

Think about it : why in the world would such a calculator as Walt put all the potential success of his plan remaining in the very low probability that Jesse suspect him and then buy the crazy story of Brock being poisoned by Gus ? For what reason ? Why the hell would Gus even poison this child ? I mean, either Walt is an unpredictable crazy fuck who just tried the last desperate mad stuff that crossed his mind, either he invested it all on Jesse's weaknesses. That is to say the way he got easely influenced, and his original loyalty to Walt.

Here is why my theory is that Brock's intoxication was made to look like pure Deus Ex Machina, even IN THE END, it finally appeared to be what it is : a volontary poisoning. 

End of my pleading.

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Fuck Leo, if you STILL can't understand this part of the plot, you are absolutely hopeless.  You lack any sort of deductive reasoning skills and have no critical thinking ability... I'm actually sort of shocked that you haven't been able to piece together all the suble hints that it was Walter who poisoned the kid.  The shots of Walter with the Lily of the Valley plant and his disposal of said plant, the odd behavior Brock displays ONLY when Walt is around, Saul's comment to Walt that he "didn't know the kid was going to end up in the hospital" regarding Saul's role in the theft of the ricin cigarette, and Saul even describes Walt to Jesse as "the evil juice box fairy" - come now.  This would be obvious even to someone with a lobotomy and half a brain, so you clearly have the depth of a puddle and the perception of a buried worm; that is (since you probably didn't even understand THAT), none at all.  I guess you need a flashing neon sign to help you understand nuanced plot devices, or maybe you would prefer that the actor just describe in words exactly what happens off-camera.  You must be a complete bore.

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Klit75 wrote: And second, maybe you should have gone on to watch the first 10 minutes of season 5--one of the first things Walt does is hide the plant!

If that ain't enough...listen to the trailer of this week's show. Saul says (presumably to Jesse) that he never would've have never agreed to it if he knew what he was going to do with it..."You gotta believe me!"

And...oh yeah...in 501 Saul says to Walt "You never told me the kid would end up in the hospital!"

Please don't waste people's time with this. It's obvious you're not paying attention. This is a site for fans.

Fair enough. I saw Season 4 on DVD and I didn't have access to Season 5 until much later, when I got Netflix. I felt that the page for the last episode of Season 4 shouldn't say definitively that Walt poisoned Brock, because to a person who has only seen seasons 1-4, there is no proof that he did it. That is only revealed to the viewer in season 5.

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John91505 wrote:
There is no evidence for Walt poisoning Brock (as of Season 4). Just because Walt has that plant doesn't mean he poisoned Brock. I went back and watched the last few episodes of season 4. Walt never had the opportunity. He shows up at Jesse's house where Brock is playing a video game. Walt is not carrying the flower pot in the scene. He immediately gets into a fight with Jesse without even coming inside. Then he gets tasered by Tyrus and taken out to the desert. Brock doesn't live with Jesse so Walt has no way to figure out who Brock is or where he lives, so Walt never had the chance to poison him, even if you believe Walt is capable of doing that or wanted to.

Walt having that plant is a coincidence, just like how he met Donald before Jane's death, or like how Beneke dies while Huell is in his house. The show is full of weird coincidences.


He LITERALLY admitted to it on a finished episode, not even behind the scenes.